but what's also insidious here is that the people who collect economic data for our government are really good. they really care about the integrity of their numbers. if there was something wrong here, they would cry to the heavens to say, somebody is manipulating these numbers. >> yeah, but the point is, if somebody was manipulating the numbers, why have high unemployment numbers in the first place? the problem, e.j. -- and i want you to weigh in on this, too, joan, they are now reaching to find a rational for why romney is running. if unemployment is now going down, if you have 30 months of private job creation, if you have bin laden dead, why is romney running? that's the problem they are getting if these numbers are out and they are out and they are valid numbers. >> he's losing rationale, and, you know, he began to lie today on the campaign trail because i think he said, what's happening is that people are losing fact, they are leaving the labor market. they are discouraged workers. that is absolutely not true, reverend al. one of the great things about this job report today is that